Curse

Quaker · Nov 14, 2008, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Wrong. When the book system was introduced, whoever had already played through EN (completely, or partially) was allowed to have missing pages filled in a book by paying a small fee (100g per page). That was possible only once, so that you basically received credits for those missions you actually got done, but unfortunately did them BEFORE the books.

Wrong! The books were always there. There was an update, in which they increased the value of the rewards for passing in books. For a time afterwards it was possible, only for those who had already passed in a book, to buy a set of pages so they could get the new reward for a book they had already passed in - not before books. (I didn't expect to have to explain this - guess I should have put it in the last post.)

bhavv · Nov 14, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

The missions in this game are only enjoyable the first time around. Why should people who already have legendary guardian have to redo them all to get the same benefit as someone doing them for the first time?

Gill Halendt · Nov 14, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Well, my bad, that was how I remembered about books. If they've always been there as you say, why not making those new ones retroactive then?

Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall on the other hand NEVER were meant to feature books. Such a delayed introduction makes no sense now that everyone and his dog has played the campaigns multiple times, unless they give proper credit to players who have been doing things before this update. Just credit for the time they've spent PLAYING, not much.

Ill-timed updates like this make me upset. They basically did NOTHING about grinding for years. They NEVER cared about HFFF and botting. They over-hyped this update by releasing little to no information about it. Great update, I admit it, but I still don't get why they had to let all those active players down.

Now think about those who just have beaten a campaign. Had they known little about the introduction of book, they could have waited and planned their activities accordingly. What do they get now? A handshake. "Congrats, hope you had fun, now think about what you've just missed. Want it? Do it all again! That's our solution against grinding!"

I really don't get it.

maraxusofk · Nov 14, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

This doesnt seem that hard to make retroactive. i do hope they do it though. im partially a story buff so id like to hold the book in my inventory without having to beat the game again.

Shadowhaze · Nov 14, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

I agree and hope they make them retroactive as well, especially for those that have the titles like Legendary Guardian and whatnot already done.

baltazar knight · Nov 14, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Wrong! The books were always there. There was an update, in which they increased the value of the rewards for passing in books. For a time afterwards it was possible, only for those who had already passed in a book, to buy a set of pages so they could get the new reward for a book they had already passed in - not before books. (I didn't expect to have to explain this - guess I should have put it in the last post.)

EoTN books weren't there for always! in the preview event there were no books , it was added when EoTN went live at 31 of august not before.

make books retroactive i want my rep and money for my legendary guardian!! -.-

rohara · Nov 14, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Wrong! The books were always there. There was an update, in which they increased the value of the rewards for passing in books. For a time afterwards it was possible, only for those who had already passed in a book, to buy a set of pages so they could get the new reward for a book they had already passed in - not before books. (I didn't expect to have to explain this - guess I should have put it in the last post.)

wrong! there were no books for the eotn preview weekend. books were released later after eotn was released, and you could pay to fill them in.

that's why the fact that you cannot pay once per char to fill in these new books is so silly to me. they did it before, and they should have done it again (hell, most people expected to be able to, hence mass hysteria), and lol @ the economy being the reason for it. the economy in this game went to hell in a handbasket quite a long time ago. and anet hands out free zkeys once a month.

i feel i have already earned the rewards and the books should be retroactive, just once per character. i don't really need the money, but the faction/rep would be nice. (even though i already maxed ss and lb) its not about being greedy, its about being entitled to bonuses you've already earned.

Hyper Cutter · Nov 14, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

A-net completely set themselves up with this one.

With the retroactivity of the original EoTN books, they set a sort of precedent for the concept of the books.

And now, we have arguments against why the new books should be retroactive, and no real substantial arguments on why they shouldnt

THIS.

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Originally Posted by Hissy

So any complaints are really just "I want more free stuff please", which don't carry much weight in my opinion.

Free? Last I checked, the rewards are for completing the campaigns, therefore anyone who'd already completed the campaign has already earned that reward.

ShadowbaneX · Nov 14, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

I'm trying to see the 'it would hurt the economy' rational. I've got 14 character. 4 of them are pretty new (read: mules) and haven't finished any of the campaigns. The other 10, I have played the hell out of, all of them have protector of cantha, most of them have protector of elona, and about half of them have protector of tyria. One of them is actually Legendary Guardian (and I probably won't be doing that again).

Even if I were to go and get all of my character triple protectors, I'd be making what? 180k off of this? Wait, Young Heroes...I'd probably go for the Kurzick ones for the title, but assuming people want just profit and go with Tyria, that's what? 250 plat? Not that big of a deal.

And that's with taking 10 characters through all three campaigns. Now, I really only have my guild to compare to, but that's, I think, a bit of an accomplishment. The rest of my guildies might have several characters, but I don't believe that they've taken all of them through every campaign. They've worked on some here and there, but, I don't believe that many people would be making more then 250 plat on this.

What would I probably do with that cash? More shiny armour and perhaps get around to doing Legendary Skill Hunter. What would most people do? Shiny armour, shiny weapons and more titles. In the case of the armour, that gold just disappears from the system again, not only in the 25-75k required for crafting the armour, but also a fair amount for materials, both rare and common, runes & insignia. The weapons and most of the titles (ie party animal, drunkard), might not be taken out of the system, but Skill Hunter certainly does.

Basically, yeah, I'd be getting a ton of gold for this, probably about 200 plat, but all things considered that's not that much cash. That's a couple of sets of nice elite armour, in which case it disappears back into the system. I just don't believe that it'd hurt the economy all that much as alot of it would disappear back into the game in one form or another.

byteme! · Nov 15, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

How about we revert everything back to what it was 24 hours ago and this thread, this topic, and every other QQ thread regarding the update will cease to exist? I mean seriously. Instead of taking all this in and being greatful we're expecting more? People were complaining for lack of quality updates so we get this HUGE update yesterday and now we have a problem with it?

24 hours ago we didn't have these new books. We didn't have these increased rewards. We didn't have (fill in blank). Accept what you've gotten and be happy with it or maybe next time the Devs should think twice before releasing such a wonderful update. As it would appear from reading the numerous "I want more" threads some of you really don't deserve what you've gotten.

geoff0011 · Nov 15, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Just make them retroactive. Those that did it deserve it. I'm pissed at the decision, and I'm completely astounded that people are defending ANet for it not being in. I did Tyria with 6 chars, 1 on hard, Cantha 10 times, and Elona 10 times. I prided myself on my work, and I feel shafted with this new update. I don't care if I have to pay to fill them out, I want the option to be able to, I feel I deserve it.

byteme! · Nov 15, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by geoff0011

Just make them retroactive. Those that did it deserve it. I'm pissed at the decision, and I'm completely astounded that people are defending ANet for it not being in. I did Tyria with 6 chars, 1 on hard, Cantha 10 times, and Elona 10 times. I prided myself on my work, and I feel shafted with this new update. I don't care if I have to pay to fill them out, I want the option to be able to, I feel I deserve it.

Did you feel you deserved it 24 hours ago before this update ever existed? If we go back in time and remove this update would you still be posting about it now? Don't lie! Hindsight is 20/20.

Sharkman · Nov 15, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall on the other hand NEVER were meant to feature books. Such a delayed introduction makes no sense now that everyone and his dog has played the campaigns multiple times, unless they give proper credit to players who have been doing things before this update. Just credit for the time they've spent PLAYING, not much.

Introducing them after EotN when the whole book system was created wouldnt have made much more sense either, except the volume of people who have achieved these titles was smaller at that point. Regardless, you would still have similiar threads popping up.

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Ill-timed updates like this make me upset. They basically did NOTHING about grinding for years. They NEVER cared about HFFF and botting.

Well now they did something. Enjoy it for what it is.

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They over-hyped this update by releasing little to no information about it.

Definition of hype:exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
hmmm...

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Now think about those who just have beaten a campaign.

They would still have had to replay through X amount of missions prior to where they were.

I admit that I am slightly dissappointed that my characters are not getting rewarded for the missions they have already completed, but at the end of the day its just a game, so you just have to go with it. If you are seriously considering quitting this game because of an update that added content to this game you may have a tough time dealing with reality later on. Again, making them retroactive would have been smarter on Anet's part, but I see no reason/point in complaining about it on an online forum or at all for that matter.

Shadowspawn X · Nov 15, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Its pretty much crap. One NM Canthan book is 40k Lux Faction while one HM Canthan book is 120k Lux Faction. Thats 160k for a Canthan Guardian title. I got 3 Canthan Guardians which will get anybody who does it now 480k Faction. Instead I get zip. These updates always screw over the older players wtf should I be excluded from the watering of the game game and passing out of freebies? No way in the heck I'm doing HM Cantha over and over again when I already did it once on every character. Not right and not fair.

ShadowbaneX · Nov 15, 2008, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Its pretty much crap. One NM Canthan book is 40k Lux Faction while one HM Canthan book is 120k Lux Faction. Thats 160k for a Canthan Guardian title. I got 3 Canthan Guardians which will get anybody who does it now 480k Faction. Instead I get zip. These updates always screw over the older players wtf should I be excluded from the watering of the game game and passing out of freebies? No way in the heck I'm doing HM Cantha over and over again when I already did it once on every character. Not right and not fair.

Actually, you're forgetting Young Heroes, so there's even more you're missing. That's 40k + 120k + 90k = 250 *3 = 750k faction

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by Sharkman

Definition of hype:exaggerated publicity; hoopla.

That's exactly what it is. "We're gonna make an update! It's FREAKING AWESOME! It's the longest set of release notes yet! You can't know anything about what it is tough, so clear your campaign the day before we release it and don't get the book for it, for a matters of hours! Take this!"

It's funny how they felt the need to release infos about Wisdom/Treasure Hunter 2 weeks ago:

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I just wanted to stop in a let everyone know that the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom title tracks will be made account-wide in the upcoming title balance build. So you can all feel free to open any chest you like on any character. To identify any rare you come across without ferrying it to your "main".

Thanks. No mention about books tough. A lot of people could have timed their activities much better, had they known little significant about what was going on.

ShadowbaneX · Nov 15, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

That's exactly what it is. "We're gonna make an update! It's FREAKING AWESOME! It's the longest set of release notes yet! You can't know anything about what it is tough, so clear your campaign the day before we release it and don't get the book for it, for a matters of hours! Take this!"

It's funny how they felt the need to release infos about Wisdom/Treasure Hunter 2 weeks ago:

Thanks. No mention about books tough. A lot of people could have timed their activities much better, had they known little significant about what was going on.

I don't know about you, or actually, anyone other then myself, but I think by and large the majority of people would have completed all these missions a long, long time ago (think years) rather then just in the past few weeks.

I would also suspect that the number of people that played through entire campaigns during that time is rather low...at least compared to everyone else that did it before that period.

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX

I don't know about you, or actually, anyone other then myself, but I think by and large the majority of people would have completed all these missions a long, long time ago (think years) rather then just in the past few weeks.

Partially true. Yet I keep on playing this game. I keep on creating new characters.

Still going through Prophecies with a new Ranger I created to go for Legendary Survivor. Silly me starting from Sanctum Cay, in order to leave the early missions last. I cleared Hell's Precipice 10 minutes before the announcement of a new build available. Now I just need to do those missions from Great Northern Walls to Gates of Kryta. Had I known better, I would have changed my plans, since those missions are not taken into account on the books.

There's also a lot of people out there about to finish one or more Guardian titles these days. If they want the full reward they'd get now, they have to start over. Fun, perphaps, yet I don't se how granting people the reward they deserve for clearing a game BEFORE the update (even MINUTES before it) is gonna create any problem to anyone. Why do these people need to do things twice for it?

Davros Uitar · Nov 15, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Shouldn't be retroactive - silly greedy selfish idea (and yes - I do have Legendary Guardian and would be insta benefit from retro books).

Books for this are new. Everyone who wants the points has to earn them - clean slate -starts now - you either want Saviour etc enough, or you really don't want it at all. If you QQ for moar and yet have no intention of going out and earning a book then the word you are looking for is hand out or charity.

I don't beg or demand handouts. I have no problem going out and working for what is needed. Why people are being so whiny over this I don't understand. We get Birthday presents, weekend events etc, and there is this element at Guru that now seems to forever have their hand out expecting it is their due to be given something on a platter every month or two (particulatly if they can be very vocal about their supposed grievance).

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

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Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

Books for this are new.

Books for this are late.